Episode Description:

This episode features our special guest Brent Keltner. Brent is the President of Winalaytics and the author of the upcoming book “Revenue Acceleration Playbook”.

Brent and I discuss the power of an authentic customer journey and he explains how important it is to truly and ‘authentically’ understand you buyers problems before offering solutions. He also touches on the importance of understanding the long-term value of each client by stressing forward thinking of how your products and services not only help you buyer now, but in the future as well.

You can pre-order Bren’t book slated to be released in April of 2022:

https://www.amazon.com/Revenue-Acceleration-Playbook-Authentic-Marketing/dp/1774581019/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=brent+keltner&qid=1641146940&sr=8-1

You can visit Winalytics online here : https://winalytics.com/

The book has a website of its own here: authenticitywins.com

 

Action you can take right now:

  1. Envision the perfect sale, with the perfect pitch, the perfect response, and the perfect close. Jot down what this process looked like.
  2. Think of difficult sales that eventually closed and what tactic helped push it over the edge. Jot down this process.
  3. Have your top sales performers also jot down a short summary of the next few sales they make.
  4. This will start to give you an idea of what a playbook might look like. It’s certainly not a finished product my any means, but it will start getting you to think about the steps of success in the sales process, that ultimately leads to customer success.

Episode After-Thoughts

It’s not easy to summarize what success looks like in a sales process. Even people performing at the very bottom will have some successful closes, so what we are really looking for is the magic that differentiates the struggling sales person from the top-performing sales person.

The idea here is to capture the essence of those top performers and share the success of the CUSTOMER not the sales person. The playbook SHOULD NOT talk about counterpoints to sales objections, but instead should focus on HOW the sales person SOLVED a problem for a customer, and how that solution led to CUSTOMER SUCCESS.

Those stories can than be shared like testimonials by the rest of the sales team. In other words “Hey, we just had a client who also had a problem with X. By implementing our solution over the course of just two weeks the company was able to save X by doing X, Y and Z.”

It sometimes feels obvious or sounds silly, but companies that implement building these playbooks genuinely drive revenue and sales much faster than those who do not.

Episode 41 Transcript:

00:00:00 Justin 

Can you actually drive revenue growth just by listening to your customer? You might be surprised today’s guest has made a successful business of creating authentic customer journeys. That and more coming up on the marketing and service.com podcast. 

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00:01:09 Justin 

On today’s show we have a very special guest. 

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Brent Keltner Brent is the president of win lyrics. 

00:01:15 Justin 

Brent believes that you can create an authentic buyer journey. 

00:01:18 Justin 

By leading with buyer goals and pay offs, window Linux can raise team performance with a dynamic skills development model to capture and socialize top plays for every single buyer interaction. 

00:01:31 Justin 

Winner Linux helps clients build their best go to market strategy within and across sales, marketing and customer success. 

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Brent is also the author of a new book now available for preorder. 

00:01:43 Justin 

The revenue acceleration playbook and the concept here is pretty simple. 

00:01:49 Justin 

Listen, listen to your customers. 

00:01:51 Justin 

We’ve talked about this a lot, so without any further ado, let’s bring Brent onto the show. 

00:01:56 Justin 

Brent Keltner. 

00:01:57 Justin 

Thank you for being on the show today. 

00:01:59 Justin 

I really appreciate it. 

00:02:01 Brent 

Hey Justin, thanks for having me. 

00:02:03 Brent 

I’m really looking forward to the conversation. 

00:02:05 Justin 

Yeah, absolutely. 

00:02:05 Justin 

So maybe you can give a really quick synopsis of your past business experience that that’s LED you to where you are today. 

00:02:13 Brent 

Yeah, so I started out life as an academic and then shifted to work with Kaplan. 

00:02:18 Brent 

Their higher education group leveraging the academic background had about a decade, 12 years of revenue, leadership holes and a series of companies focused on higher education selling into higher education colleges, universities. 

00:02:32 Brent 

For very quick growth. 

00:02:33 Brent 

Successes at the end of that I realized. 

00:02:36 Brent 

There was kind of a method. 

00:02:37 Brent 

To the madness which I had actually developed as a uh, so I had built a what we now call the authentic buyer journey, which is not leading your sales with a product moving selling process but leading it with always anchoring on what does. 

00:02:39 Justin 

00:02:54 Brent 

How do you make your buyer more successful so? 

00:02:56 Justin 

Gotcha, so in this in this role in this role at Kaplan and dealing with higher education were you there, were you actually selling or were you building the sales team or both? 

00:03:06 Brent 

Yeah, so I I was doing both in most of those roles. 

00:03:11 Brent 

At Kaplan was selling had a team that I was managing at Eduventures I. 

00:03:15 Justin 

Right? 

00:03:18 Brent 

We’ve launched a number of benchmarking research programs at colleges universities. 

00:03:23 Brent 

I would usually sell the first dozen and then I bring my team in behind to go to. 

00:03:27 Brent 

100 OK and then at. 

00:03:30 Brent 

Calija link I was the CEO of a small company. 

00:03:33 Brent 

So I’ve always had a my own sales bogey in the revenue leadership roles that I’ve been in. 

00:03:40 Brent 

So till the last gap, academics 12 years as a revenue leader saw that I had a method to drive. 

00:03:47 Brent 

Revenue quicker started about seven years ago when to Linux as a go to market and revenue acceleration consultancy. 

00:03:55 Justin 

Awesome, So what? 

00:03:56 Justin 

What is your typical the businesses that you work with? 

00:03:59 Justin 

What is the typical profile of that business? 

00:04:01 Justin 

Are they small businesses, large businesses or the educational space? 

00:04:02 Brent 

Yeah, it’s there really two. 

00:04:05 Brent 

We started, like many consultants doing. 

00:04:08 Brent 

Fractional sales leadership. 

00:04:11 Brent 

Were right contract VPS sales contract siaro, so those were typically companies you know less than a million in revenue working our product market fit. 

00:04:20 Brent 

We did that for about five years and then got to the point where really all of our work is around building the revenue acceleration playbook. 

00:04:28 Brent 

Overall Playbooks and then helping teams implement it. 

00:04:31 Brent 

And so right now our sweet spot are. 

00:04:33 Brent 

Probably 2 to $10 million companies. On the one hand that are folks that they’re doing sales, marketing and customer success, but really need to formalize those teams and the and the playbooks and need to make a connected buyer journey. 

00:04:47 Brent 

And then we, you know, worked with. Call it 10 to $50 million companies. Usually that are targeting going. 

00:04:53 Brent 

Public and they need to optimize each of those teams. There are a number of players and it’s how do you capture the practices of the top 20%. 

00:05:02 Brent 

So you can drive revenue quicker and. 

00:05:02 Justin 

Yeah, I think we’ve. 

00:05:04 Justin 

I think I think anyone, anyone in sales and business has been in the position where they’ve been in on a team where it is always very clear there are usually a few very top performers. 

00:05:16 Justin 

Then you have, you know, kind of a baseline and then you have the weak performers. 

00:05:20 Justin 

But there’s always a stand out in a crowd of sales staff everywhere, everywhere, in anywhere. 

00:05:24 Justin 

So I love this idea of kind of. 

00:05:26 Justin 

Digging in and seeing what is that top 10% doing differently and it’s amazing because like I’m a big zig Ziglar fan and you know you’re going back now to the to the 70s and these were the discussions that were going on and now here we are today. 

00:05:40 Justin 

With 50 plus years later, having the same discussion and it’s it’s great that that you have this. 

00:05:46 Justin 

New book so because you kind of mentioned, I just want to re emphasize it. 

00:05:51 Justin 

You now have this window Linux company that you run and you are, or you’ve just written a book called The Revenue Acceleration Playbook. 

00:05:59 Justin 

It comes out in April of 2022, but people of course can preorder it today on Amazon or Barnes and Noble. And of course I will have links to the book in the show notes and on. 

00:06:11 Justin 

Be marketing and service.com website for this episode. So if you’re listening and you find this interesting, definitely go and check out this book because Brent thank you. 

00:06:20 Justin 

You sent me a copy of the book and I read it and I really, really loved what you talk about in this book, because what you talk about in the book? 

00:06:29 Justin 

Is pretty much the same thing that I talk about on this podcast on a regular basis, except with a really cool twist, and that’s what I want to jump into right now. 

00:06:38 Justin 

A lot of times in business, there’s always the perspectives right and everyone in an organization might have a different perspective that you know, the CEO’s perspective is going to be different than the CFO. 

00:06:49 Justin 

Which is going to be different than a CMO, which is going to be different than a sales staff which is going to be different than the customers perception of the transaction, right? 

00:06:57 Justin 

You kind of take this B to B approach and you are looking at it from the salesperson. 

00:07:03 Justin 

Active so maybe we can talk a little bit about the perspective and the style of the typical outbound sales call in a B2B environment. 

00:07:13 Justin 

Some of the challenges they have and some of the things that you suggest that will greatly improve that. 

00:07:18 Brent 

We talk a lot about building value place. 

00:07:23 Brent 

Any company you go. 

00:07:24 Brent 

To they have a product, battle card or Prada. 

00:07:26 Brent 

Like spec sheet like you talked about, what they often don’t have written down is why does your customer care? 

00:07:33 Brent 

How does that create value for your customer? 

00:07:36 Brent 

How does it help drive revenue? 

00:07:37 Brent 

Reduce costs change a user experience, make better use of staff or some physical asset and the reality is you only know what value your product. 

00:07:47 Brent 

Creates once your customer has told you. 

00:07:50 Brent 

Once you can write down a quote, a testimonial, a success story in your customers voice. 

00:07:57 Brent 

So we talk about builders. 

00:07:58 Brent 

Value plays, which is how would your customer describe value? 

00:08:01 Brent 

Was a quick snippet. 

00:08:03 Brent 

Where is a a success story et cetera. 

00:08:07 Brent 

And then if you have value plays, it solves the problem you talked about, which is often marketing, prospecting, sales, customer success. 

00:08:17 Brent 

They all have a slightly different perspective on the buyer and customer journey, but if you write down value plays. 

00:08:21 Justin 

Right? 

00:08:23 Brent 

When you write down customer stories that they can all use, it now gives them an integrated way to message the market and everybody is thinking about how do I handoff around buyer value? 

00:08:36 Brent 

No, not my perspective on where you are in the journey, right? 

00:08:40 Brent 

So it it flips it. 

00:08:41 Brent 

You’re not inside out, you’re outside in. 

00:08:44 Justin 

Yeah, and it’s fantastic because I always talk about that alignment between sales, service and marketing, because in so many typical organizations you’ve got those three people with different perspectives and they don’t have unified messaging. 

00:08:57 Justin 

I think all of us can think of a time where we were told something by a salesperson. 

00:09:02 Justin 

But then it just didn’t come to fruition. 

00:09:04 Justin 

The product didn’t do what we thought it was going to do, and then we call support and the support people say, yeah, I don’t. 

00:09:09 Justin 

I don’t know why that guy told you that he just he. 

00:09:10 Justin 

Just wanted to. 

00:09:11 Justin 

Close the sale that that that’s not going to work for you. 

00:09:13 Justin 

And now you’ve got this really sour perspective. 

00:09:16 Justin 

As a customer, you you have a very sour perspective of this. 

00:09:20 Justin 

Company that you’ve dealt with, so I’m a huge. 

00:09:22 Justin 

Fan of really focusing on that alignment between sales, marketing and service. 

00:09:28 Brent 

Yes, unrelated. 

00:09:29 Brent 

I mean we all have the experience of buying something from the sales guy or gal where they become your buddy. 

00:09:35 Brent 

You’re totally wired on your problem and can explain how they’re going to solve the problem, and then they hand it off to the implementation person who’s like, tell me what we’re focused on today. 

00:09:46 Justin 

Right, right? 

00:09:48 Justin 

Yeah, we we’ve all been there. 

00:09:49 Brent 

What problem are we solving? 

00:09:49 Justin 

And it’s it’s. 

00:09:51 Brent 

And it’s just like no don’t do it. 

00:09:53 Brent 

Hand it off. 

00:09:54 Justin 

Yeah, so one of the things you you discuss in the book you talk a little bit about the alignment mechanism. 

00:10:00 Justin 

To these systems to help have that alignment between those departments, can you delve into that a little bit? 

00:10:07 Brent 

Yeah, I mean there there are two things alignment mechanisms. 

00:10:10 Brent 

We think about the one is these value plays consistent value messaging, right? 

00:10:15 Brent 

So if you think about a company I was just on with an old client, Greg Carter at Tru Fit that has a retail personalization platform so they helped Macy’s or A6. 

00:10:27 Brent 

If you are a web shop or you can go to the website, you get recommendations on the right size and style. 

00:10:33 Brent 

So you buy the right products you convert more from the web. 

00:10:36 Brent 

Site you less return size related returns what they train their team to do, from prospecting to sales to success is start with the buyer problem, right? 

00:10:46 Brent 

Don’t get into the details of the weeds of all of the ways you can implement or this kind of thing you can do in these integrations. 

00:10:53 Brent 

You can run because if you focus first on the buyer problems. 

00:10:56 Brent 

Then you get into the details of the product, but it’s a lot. 

00:10:58 Brent 

Easier to. 

00:10:59 Brent 

Hand off right there. 

00:11:01 Brent 

Problem was returns. 

00:11:03 Brent 

Make sure Mr or Mrs. 

00:11:05 Brent 

Customer success. 

00:11:06 Brent 

This is about size related returns real quick, just we know what they success. 

00:11:10 Brent 

Says they have this improvement goal, so if you get your value messaging right, a lot easier to make one connection to another. 

00:11:18 Brent 

You don’t have to capture all the details of the implementation. 

00:11:21 Brent 

The second thing we always talk about is think about your incentives, right? 

00:11:27 Brent 

A lot of people have individual activity metrics. 

00:11:30 Brent 

Prospecting, how many meetings did you get sales? 

00:11:33 Brent 

How many deals you close? 

00:11:34 Brent 

Customer success. 

00:11:35 Brent 

What’s your renewal rate? 

00:11:37 Brent 

Well, what are your cross team metrics? 

00:11:40 Brent 

Because those are actually more important to the buyer journey, so sales success. 

00:11:45 Brent 

What’s the value of the account after 12 months after the close? 

00:11:50 Brent 

Can I incent sales to tee up a lot of discovery. 

00:11:53 Brent 

You might only land one, but do I have some incentive to have a higher 12 month lifetime value or on the prospecting side? 

00:12:01 Brent 

Great, we need more opportunities, more meetings. 

00:12:04 Brent 

Should I get measured on what percentage of those closed, what the value of those are? 

00:12:10 Brent 

When they close and so now prospecting is incentive to hand it off to sales. 

00:12:16 Brent 

Not just opportunities, but. 

00:12:18 Brent 

But good opportunity, so link up on your value messaging and in addition to your team level activity measures, create cross team measures that align those incentives between teams. 

00:12:28 Justin 

Yeah, that that alignment is so important and since you were talking about sales that another chapter in the book that I really enjoyed is you bring up the scenario where you have a sales team. 

00:12:38 Justin 

And let’s say they’re a pretty good team. 

00:12:40 Justin 

They’re they’re pretty well managed, they’re doing. 

00:12:42 Justin 

A pretty good job. 

00:12:43 Justin 

But they fall into a routine. 

00:12:45 Justin 

And they’re not constantly improving. 

00:12:48 Justin 

They’ve got this status quo and you gave some good tips about how you can work as a manager to overcome that status quo, to ensure that that sales staff is constantly improving. 

00:12:59 Brent 

Improving, yeah, I mean look, it’s it’s life is busy and it’s easy to get in in the you know, whatever mode you’re in, but our markets are ever changing new competitors, new buyers coming into the equation so we know the best sellers. 

00:13:16 Brent 

It’s about hyper personalization. 

00:13:19 Brent 

You’re speaking to each buyer in their role in the you know financial survey you’re selling into financial service. 

00:13:25 Brent 

That’s different than selling to a manufacturer that’s different than selling to a hospital. 

00:13:30 Brent 

Their language might be slightly different, so we have to be constant learners to personalize. 

00:13:37 Brent 

What we say is as a manager in a team, think about 3% of your time, one hour a week, just practicing it, getting better. 

00:13:47 Brent 

Practicing how you do discovery. 

00:13:49 Brent 

Practicing how you personalize your messaging and we encourage alternating team based practice so you have a biweekly team meeting where somebody bringing a maybe a call video that everybody reviewed to give feedback on the discovery or the closing or an email follow up. 

00:14:08 Brent 

Right, so team based practice where people are expected to, you know, kind of present and get feedback this to continue with the truefitt example, they develop something they called. 

00:14:19 Brent 

Uhm, tests and improve a test and improved process where sales team members would bring their deals and a lot of it was how well have you gotten. 

00:14:27 Brent 

To a business. 

00:14:29 Brent 

Initiative or that would motivate a purchase decision. 

00:14:33 Brent 

Have you mapped out what each buyer cares about? 

00:14:35 Brent 

Do you know what actions need to take next so team based learning? 

00:14:39 Brent 

And then individual learning. 

00:14:41 Brent 

With your manager, and if you commit to an hour a week, it’s amazing how quickly you can get better at your craft. 

00:14:48 Justin 

Yeah, I love that I. 

00:14:49 Justin 

I think you know, having been in sales my whole life I’m. 

00:14:52 Justin 

I’m sure there’s been times in my career where I’ve been guilty of getting into that routine where you know you’ve got a pitch or you’ve got a certain thing and yeah, it works some of the time. 

00:15:00 Justin 

Most of the time, whatever that may be, but you don’t really think about what’s. What can I do to to improve that 30%? 

00:15:08 Justin 

That’s not. 

00:15:08 Justin 

Closing that’s walking away so I I do love looking at that and and I I love that you put that in your book and there’s some great stuff in there in relation to growing like you just said as a cross team and really listening to the customer. 

00:15:22 Justin 

You know, I recently was dealing. 

00:15:24 Justin 

I got a sales call from a company and I saw some stuff about this. 

00:15:29 Justin 

Company I reached out to them. 

00:15:30 Justin 

They reached back out to me and the. 

00:15:33 Justin 

Phone call was a typical example of what you just laid out in the worst way they called and they said, listen, we have this solution to this problem that you might have and I said this is great. 

00:15:45 Justin 

I’m not going to say the name of the company, but they one of the features they offer is text based billing where you can you know, send texts to all your customers. 

00:15:53 Justin 

They can pay right from their phone and it will go into their, you know, into a payment processing account on their end and then they send you a notice that this has been paid and transferred. 

00:16:02 Justin 

To your bank. 

00:16:03 Justin 

And it sounded great. 

00:16:04 Justin 

Like you know, it’s very convenient. 

00:16:05 Justin 

It’s nice and convenient to pay a bill through a text. 

00:16:08 Justin 

The problem was I said well what’s the mechanism in which you know if you send out 10,000 bills in a month and now you get 4 or 5000 payments back into the system, how do you then import those into your accounting software and and the? 

00:16:23 Justin 

The answer was, well, you just you know you have someone punch in all those payments and I said, well, that’s not very efficient. 

00:16:30 Justin 

I mean, you know, I realize this is not a Fortune 500 Corporation in enterprise environment, but we’re not going to 4000. 

00:16:36 Justin 

And payments entered every single month with someone punching in numbers with with room for error and no way to audit it, and no mechanism to just validate that what you’ve actually called. 

00:16:47 Justin 

I mean, it was just really a wild thing and I brought this up and the guy said I wouldn’t worry about it. 

00:16:51 Justin 

I just signed up today. I’ll give you a better deal. I’ll take 20% off and it was exactly that. He just. 

00:16:56 Justin 

Wasn’t listening that this was such a critical aspect to me and I would have appreciated even if you said hey listen, you know I’m not sure with that. 

00:17:02 Justin 

Let me check with my tech team and I’ll get. 

00:17:04 Justin 

Back to you, but it was just pushing for this driving for this clothes and my guess is that maybe three out of 10 times this pitch works and he gets the clothes and that’s what he’s happy with. 

00:17:14 Justin 

But if he sat down like you said and actually reviewed this, a team member might say, hey, listen, you didn’t listen to this guy and you lost it and now I’ll never do business with them because it was such a horrendous experience. 

00:17:25 Justin 

This really Harkins back to what you were just talking about with building those sales teams and having that alignment. 

00:17:30 Justin 

It really is important. 

00:17:32 Brent 

Yeah, and I I guess that he he doesn’t close three and 10 that it’s it’s. 

00:17:37 Brent 

It’s hard, right? 

00:17:38 Brent 

I mean, product pitching and just pushing for the clothes. 

00:17:41 Brent 

It’s a lot easier than actually having to listen and recap and confirm where the buyer is seeing value, but I mean what your experience was. 

00:17:51 Brent 

He didn’t first solve. 

00:17:53 Brent 

Your problem you just try to close you and we know to sell well. 

00:17:58 Brent 

You have to 1st. 

00:18:00 Brent 

Uh, solve a problem for a buyer and then we can focus on the process to close. 

00:18:06 Justin 

So when we talk about that process of closing, so say let’s take a look at that sales call in that journey and you put yourself in the customer shoes. 

00:18:14 Justin 

Let’s assume you’re doing everything right. 

00:18:16 Justin 

You’re you’ve got this. 

00:18:17 Justin 

This common value proposition that’s aligned and you are doing everything right. 

00:18:23 Justin 

Now you’re getting closer to this point where you’re going to try to close. 

00:18:26 Justin 

This sale tell me about the final 10 minutes of the call. 

00:18:29 Justin 

What does that? 

00:18:30 Brent 

Look like we always say we ask every person on the sales team develop a talk track that said looks something like hey, Justin. 

00:18:39 Brent 

You know, I know, we’re coming to time. 

00:18:41 Brent 

We have about 10 minutes left. 

00:18:43 Brent 

I want to make sure we just hold time for me. 

00:18:45 Brent 

To hear from you. 

00:18:46 Brent 

Where are you seeing the most value in this conversation and what we might do about it next and and then? 

00:18:51 Brent 

I mean, what we encourage is that transition starts with a verbal recap. 

00:18:55 Brent 

This is what I’ve heard today. 

00:18:56 Brent 

The problem you’re working on is probably. 

00:18:58 Brent 

Most align to our capabilities how we could help that I hear that right. 

00:19:03 Brent 

Uh, do you see enough fit to you know that it would merit a next meeting with others. 

00:19:09 Brent 

And who would we bring in right? 

00:19:12 Brent 

So you start with a verbal recap and then you get into their. 

00:19:15 Brent 

You know the classic band who else? 

00:19:17 Brent 

You know? 

00:19:17 Brent 

How urgent is this problem? 

00:19:19 Brent 

How are things like this funded so that that’s what we encourage? 

00:19:23 Justin 

Yeah, and it’s a great I mean. 

00:19:24 Justin 

Obviously it’s a great idea. 

00:19:25 Justin 

It’s a good summary of the call. 

00:19:27 Justin 

Well, if you’re if you’re into NLP, you’ve got that customer saying yes, yes yes. 

00:19:31 Justin 

Yes yes down the line, right? 

00:19:33 Justin 

So it really is a it it’s. 

00:19:35 Justin 

It’s an interesting way to end the call and it makes so much sense because in real life that’s what you do. 

00:19:40 Justin 

Hey, you know if you’re talking to a buddy so we’re good, we’re going to meet tomorrow at 9:00 o’clock and get a beer or whatever it takes. 

00:19:45 Justin 

Maybe you know you kind of review it. 

00:19:47 Justin 

And you but sales people don’t do. 

00:19:49 Justin 

That so often they just don’t do that and they end up on a tangent and then the customer is not happy because they don’t even know what’s happening anymore. 

00:19:57 Justin 

So let’s talk a little bit about HubSpot. 

00:20:00 Justin 

I know you have a great case study example on that and I’ve mentioned HubSpot quite a few times on the podcast and I I don’t have any affiliation with HubSpot. 

00:20:10 Justin 

I do use it and I do have some issues with it that I I hope, and it looks like they’re trying to work out specifically with mobile ticketing. 

00:20:19 Justin 

It’s something that they don’t really support right now on iOS, which is which is frustrating if you’re on the road and you need to be closing service. 

00:20:26 Justin 

But I do really appreciate the powerful tools that they give away for free is really incredible. So what can you tell me about your HubSpot case study? 

00:20:35 Brent 

So we have a case study with Mark Roberts. 

00:20:38 Brent 

Who is the? 

00:20:39 Brent 

CRO there, from, you know zero to 100,000,000. 

00:20:43 Brent 

Now, a very successful venture investor, but he it was really about building the integrated buyer into customer journey that that we talked about and creating the incentives. 

00:20:57 Brent 

To do that, and so, one of the things that I think they did a really good job. 

00:21:00 Brent 

About is they built their whole go to market process thinking about the ideal buyer. 

00:21:06 Brent 

At the end they were less focused on what were the intermediate metrics on conversion opportunities, what, what buyer at at 12 months has the highest value for us, right? 

00:21:17 Brent 

The highest enterprise value, and then they worked back. 

00:21:20 Brent 

From there to what I had described before, they changed the incentives in her remarks, saying that his first SDR plan for the prospecting team was awful. 

00:21:31 Brent 

Because you know, if they if they E got good meetings, they were really happy and if they got bad meetings, they were really unhappy and there was no alignment. 

00:21:41 Brent 

So they changed the comp plan to a high percentage was what was the quality of the meetings that closed and that was a big fix for them to now point towards higher quality. 

00:21:52 Brent 

The other thing I remember him saying is he changed the comp structure. 

00:21:56 Brent 

He told his. 

00:21:57 Brent 

Team I will copy you 20% higher. 

00:22:00 Brent 

On any deal that closes between the day that the first deal closes and 12 months right so after the first close, anything that closes afterwards, you get 120% and he said, Mark, they seem said Mark, you’re crazy. We’re going to find 5 opportunities and only close one. 

00:22:20 Brent 

He said, go for it. 

00:22:21 Justin 

Right? 

00:22:22 Brent 

That’s exactly what I want you to do. 

00:22:24 Brent 

’cause I could care less when the enterprise value hits. 

00:22:29 Brent 

I want you to do really deep and broad discovery to find out all kinds of things we could solve for them after that for. 

00:22:36 Brent 

First use case, so they thought about a integrated revenue organization pointed at a deal buyer right from the outset and it was one of the keys to their growth. 

00:22:48 Justin 

Yeah, it’s fantastic because there’s so there’s so often the issue where businesses have a difficult time articulating that exact persona of their buyer. 

00:22:59 Justin 

And aside from the the scenario you just provided it, it’s a double whammy because you all. 

00:23:04 Justin 

So end up spending a lot of marketing dollars that you don’t need to spend because you’re you end up reaching you. 

00:23:10 Justin 

Spread this wider net because you’re unsure of who you really need, so you spread this wide net. 

00:23:14 Justin 

You spend a lot more money on ads and a lot more money on digital channels and you realize, hey, you know I could have just had a little bit better of a definition. 

00:23:22 Justin 

Narrowed this down to a really. 

00:23:24 Justin 

Specific target and probably could have gotten a lot more out of those dollars. 

00:23:29 Justin 

It’s something something I see all the time. 

00:23:31 Justin 

I’m sure you see it as well. 

00:23:32 Brent 

I wanted to go back just quick play to one earlier point in the conversation about this idea of the top performers and everybody else. 

00:23:39 Brent 

And give a plug both for our approach and the. 

00:23:43 Brent 

The the book. 

00:23:44 Brent 

Is there is a solution and it’s playbooks, right? 

00:23:47 Brent 

Is when you write down your place and you have your top performers write down. 

00:23:52 Brent 

What are your best plays for discovery? 

00:23:54 Brent 

What are your best buys of talking back to your buyer? 

00:23:57 Brent 

What are your best plays for closing a meeting? 

00:23:59 Brent 

What are your best players for connecting the first meeting to the second meeting? 

00:24:03 Brent 

How do you price as an investment when you write those down and you get your top performers to write them down, and then you practice it? 

00:24:10 Brent 

What now your middle 60 can absorb that? 

00:24:13 Brent 

And there is a another story in the book about Aptio Larry Blasko, who is there, Caro, you know from. 

00:24:21 Brent 

2003 to 2016. So from 3 million in revenue to going public. Very rare for somebody to do that. 

00:24:30 Brent 

What he did is at every increment of their growth, so they started with a medic sales methodology when they were selling to the first big accounts and then they adopted another methodology. 

00:24:41 Brent 

And then when they were acquired by Vista, Vista has their own value selling methodology and every. 

00:24:45 Brent 

Every time what he did is he forced his sales leadership team to go right back down, refresh an integrated set of Playbooks so everybody was on the same set of playbooks and they could practice in the same way together. 

00:24:59 Brent 

And every manager has a weekly session with their team. 

00:25:03 Brent 

The team doesn’t know who’s going to get called on. 

00:25:06 Justin 

00:25:06 Brent 

Who’s going to have to practice those core skills so it’s just an awesome testimonial to shared playbooks and practice will drive phenomenal growth. 

00:25:16 Brent 

Both for any type of company. 

00:25:18 Justin 

That’s awesome, that’s very cool. I love that, and since you mentioned the word testimonials I-1. 

00:25:24 Justin 

But the other things you’ve mentioned is customer voice and avoiding that. 

00:25:29 Justin 

Trying to sell capabilities of product and really understand and and one of the things that you refer to a lot is testimonials. 

00:25:37 Justin 

How does that play into that sales process? 

00:25:39 Brent 

Yeah, yeah so. 

00:25:40 Brent 

What we we we encourage on these value plays is that a team should have. 

00:25:46 Brent 

If it’s around how we increase the efficiency of a process or how we I’ll give you an example. 

00:25:51 Brent 

We work with a couple of companies in the manufacturing sector that might work on maintenance and the instinct is I’m selling you a. 

00:25:58 Brent 

Valve or a pump. 

00:26:00 Brent 

Fine, I’m selling you a valve or a pump, but really, what I’m telling you is a valve or a pump that connect to a planned. 

00:26:05 Brent 

Maintenance solution so you have less downtime in your plan and so you have higher production and that saves you money right? 

00:26:14 Brent 

So what I want my to condition my sellers to do is. 

00:26:18 Brent 

Get the buyer to understand that higher business outcome and then explain how the product helped with that higher business outcome. 

00:26:26 Brent 

Share in their words. 

00:26:27 Brent 

Hey, how did solving for how to getting you the right pump help your plan maintenance problem? 

00:26:33 Brent 

How did building a solution around the right pump? 

00:26:36 Brent 

How did some analytics around the right pump? 

00:26:38 Brent 

Help with that plan maintenance. 

00:26:40 Brent 

How did that help you? 

00:26:41 Brent 

What was the before and after case in terms of no visibility to visibility, less time taken off to ask. 

00:26:48 Brent 

Yep, with this emergency outage, how did that help you? 

00:26:52 Brent 

So ask them what problem it solved for them and if you. 

00:26:55 Brent 

Write that down. 

00:26:57 Brent 

Use it in your selling. 

00:26:59 Brent 

You just have old stories. 

00:27:01 Brent 

Sell stories. 

00:27:03 Brent 

Sell better than product. 

00:27:04 Brent 

You just have a simple story about how you help the customer that will lead to higher engagement and higher velocity in your deals. 

00:27:13 Justin 

Yeah, it certainly sounds like something that would be great to slip into. 

00:27:16 Justin 

That playbook goes right along with it, right? 

00:27:19 Justin 

Share that with your other sales teams and say, hey, here’s a story. 

00:27:21 Justin 

Here’s a practical application and and customer success. 

00:27:25 Brent 

Yeah, and and. 

00:27:26 Brent 

So your part about connecting stories can be used in prospecting. 

00:27:30 Brent 

Call connects emails that as snippets they can be used in a sales call that can be used as a customer success tool. 

00:27:38 Brent 

You know, here’s what our other customers are thinking about. 

00:27:40 Brent 

Are you thinking about that? 

00:27:42 Brent 

So those stories really do connect to go to market journey. 

00:27:45 Brent 

As well a buyer journey as well. 

00:27:47 Justin 

Yeah, that is fantastic and you know the The thing is, we’ve we’ve probably discussed about 2% of the content that’s in the revenue acceleration playbook. 

00:27:56 Justin 

And I could go all day here. 

00:27:58 Justin 

We could talk about this you’ve already given so much amazing information out. 

00:28:02 Justin 

So again, I encourage people check this book out. The revenue acceleration playbook. It’s a new book coming out April 2020. 

00:28:09 Justin 

You can preorder it today on Amazon, Barnes and Noble, your favorite bookstores. 

00:28:14 Justin 

This is something that you don’t want to. 

00:28:16 Justin 

Miss and now I have to start to wrap this up because we’re running out of time, but I wanted to ask you what is the biggest mistake that you have ever made? 

00:28:27 Brent 

Biggest mistake I’ve ever made I’ll. 

00:28:30 Brent 

Just stick with the business. 

00:28:32 Brent 

Side of things is I see the very first commercial endeavor I had out of academics was to start a language learning company with my brother who had a business in Asia, a textbook company selling English language and it was a big mistake because I was a very as an exceptionally strong. 

00:28:51 Brent 

Language learner, but I was not a passionate language teacher. 

00:28:55 Brent 

I didn’t really care about teaching others language, so I picked a business I wasn’t passionate about. 

00:28:57 Justin 

00:29:01 Brent 

And if you’re not passionate about starting a business, you’re just stick to it over this. 

00:29:06 Brent 

It’s just not going to be there. 

00:29:07 Brent 

That was a big mistake. 

00:29:09 Justin 

Awesome, yeah, that that’s definitely something we we hear a lot and again I think everyone feels that at some point. 

00:29:15 Justin 

If you’re if you’re an employee, you’re working. 

00:29:17 Justin 

That passion is just utterly important and necessary to keep that drive going. 

00:29:21 Justin 

Day in and day out. 

00:29:23 Justin 

And of course, my last question. 

00:29:25 Justin 

What’s the best piece of advice you’ve ever gotten? 

00:29:28 Brent 

Yeah, I think I think it’s the flipside of that my brother who is a psychiatrist, says in raising kids. 

00:29:35 Brent 

You know, focus less on talent and focus on passion. 

00:29:39 Brent 

Right is and because the talent will come if they’re passionate about something and you just kind of rinse and repeat. 

00:29:46 Brent 

And I think about myself in, you know, I love like I got a left brain right brain. 

00:29:51 Brent 

I love writing the copy and I love selling and the the the hunt, you know. 

00:29:56 Brent 

So I was kind of wired for go to market strategy. 

00:29:59 Brent 

Didn’t get there immediately. 

00:30:00 Brent 

But I love lead. 

00:30:01 Brent 

In teams and then I’ve loved being a consultant and I did it as an embedded way, but I’ve we’ve just always kind of up leveled right. 

00:30:09 Brent 

The new opportunity. 

00:30:10 Speaker 1 

Right? 

00:30:10 Brent 

Just keep going ’cause there’s a bigger and bigger problem to solve. 

00:30:14 Justin 

Awesome, so Brent. 

00:30:16 Justin 

Thank you so much for taking the time today and thank you for sharing these tidbits from your book, which of course is the revenue acceleration playbook. 

00:30:25 Justin 

Brent, you’ve been an amazing guest. 

00:30:27 Justin 

You’ve given amazing content. 

00:30:28 Justin 

If someone wants to get in touch with you, what’s the best way they can reach out? 

00:30:33 Brent 

Yeah, they can reach out to me at b.keltner@windowlinux.com. One other thing I’d mention is we do have a book web. 

00:30:40 Brent 

Site authenticity wins. 

00:30:43 Brent 

Com and they can go there and they can actually download for free. 

00:30:47 Brent 

The forward and the first chapter of the book for free. 

00:30:52 Justin 

Great so I will put links to that into the show notes and of course on the website. 

00:30:57 Justin 

So if you are looking for that you can just go to the website and you will find it and along with the information on how to get in touch with Brent. 

00:31:04 Justin 

Because Brent is someone that you definitely want to have a discussion with. 

00:31:09 Justin 

If you’re in a sales process because you’ve really given some great information today, and I, I really, really do appreciate it. 

00:31:15 Justin 

And I think that anyone who partners with you is going to see that value right away. 

00:31:19 Brent 

I appreciate that Jess and really enjoyed the call today. 

00:31:22 Brent 

You’re you have awesome questions and in a good way of looking at a growth, so I appreciate the alignment. 

00:31:28 Brent 

The thought partnership. 

00:31:29 Justin 

Absolutely thank you so much and I wish you the best success on your journey. 

00:31:34 Brent 

Thank you Justin. 

00:31:36 Justin 

Isn’t that something? 

00:31:38 Justin 

Listen to your customer and drive revenue. 

00:31:42 Justin 

Now I know it’s not quite that simple, but the concept here is in a sales process. 

00:31:47 Justin 

It is critical that you listen to what your customer is asking for. 

00:31:51 Justin 

You have to deeply understand your customers problem to offer a solution. 

00:31:57 Justin 

If you’re offering something before you know what the problem is, you are not doing your job. 

00:32:02 Justin 

As a salesperson, imagine if you went to the doctor and they said, well, we’re going to give you this drug. 

00:32:06 Justin 

This drug and this drug to fix these problems and you say, well, I don’t have any of those problem. 

00:32:10 Justin 

My cholesterol is good. 

00:32:11 Justin 

I exercise everyday. 

00:32:13 Justin 

My weight is healthy and they said Oh well we don’t care about that. 

00:32:15 Justin 

Just take these three drugs because this is where we make. 

00:32:18 Justin 

Most money you would run from that doctor’s office, but yet in sales this happens every single day. So do yourself a favor. Pre-order Brent’s book revenue Acceleration playbook and think about how you can better understand the problems that your customers are having and intern. 

00:32:38 Justin 

You will drive revenue growth. 

00:32:41 Justin 

You will accelerate revenue and that’s the whole name of the game. 

00:32:46 Justin 

Thanks so much for listening. 

00:32:47 Justin 

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00:32:56 Justin 

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00:33:00 Justin 

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